Epic Gainz Review

A little while back but not too long ago,  I stumbled across a supplement touting itself as a natural alternative to breaking the genetic hold back that stops many from advancing in muscle growth.

Well after a lot of research and some deliberation,  I decided to get my hands on this supplement and test it and record my findings far better than the current reviews for the product.

Current reviews lacked good continuity,  injuries,  very relaxed and poor wording,  limited measurement to actually gauge the results and a poor level of convincing before and after shots. Further to that, some of the guys were just coming off a "cycle" which meant that they were not trying this as natty BB's to begin with.

I am natural in that I do not AND will not do steroids of any kind. And further to that,  my reviews are thorough.

Sunday morning will mark day one!
Let the gainz begin? !

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OK, last words on the Epic Gainz...

After posting my review to the Facebook page of Epic Gainz/wicked supplements I received a call by the end of the day to talk with Kirk from the company. 

Here is the email response after the phone conversation. 

To: Kyle Johansson

Subject: Re: [Wicked Supplements] epic gainz

Hi Kyle,

Good speaking with you, as said your tanita electric scale is never going to be accurate it sends an electric pulse up one leg and down the other, measuring the resistance of the electric pulse. If you are well hydrated, have eaten more salt or have sweaty feet this effects the reading, it also effects the reading if you are dehydrated, have not eaten enough salt and have dry feet etc, this is why my reliable methods are always preferred like a dexa scan.

Based on your scale these were the results:

Lean Body Mass Results:

Day 1) 89kg 13.2% bf gives you a lean body mass of 77.252kg Day 7) 87.5kg 13.2% bf gives you a lean body mass of 75.95kg a loss of muscle tissue of 1.302kg Day 20) 89.3kg 14.2% bf gives you a lean body mass of 76.61kg a loss of muscle tissue from the first weigh in of 642g

Fat Mass Results:

Day 1) 89kg 13.2% bf gives you a fat mass of 11.748kg Day 7) 87.5kg 13.2% bf gives you a fat mass of 11.55kg Day 20) 89.3kg 14.2% bf gives you a fat mass of 12.6806kg a gain in fat from the first weigh in of 932.6g

I believe and I think you can agree with me here that your measurements are all incorrect and thus are not very forgiving in your review of our product. It is not possible to loss this amount of muscle tissue within 7 days let alone 20 days if as you say your diet and training have been in order. It is also impossible for you to gain nearly a whole kg of fat in only 20 days if as you say your diet and training are in order, thus your review is VERY unforgiving on the product.

As said we had 1 person in a trial before the product was a product that had zero response, everyone else responded. You can see his comments here:  

http://www.bodybuildingforums.com.au/supplement-reviews/4762-epicatechin-anyone-herd-of-this.html his username is Dutch

As also said Olympus Labs EP1C and Black Lion Research's product Follidrone also have listed a failure rate from 3-5%...some people simply are non responders with no possible explanation. Olympus Labs are currently looking into a transdermal cream to try and get it working for everyone. As said we also have a gel carrier but have not put it into use at this time....it may happen in the future.

We strongly stand behind all of our products, we have always felt supplements should work, results should be quantifiable and if blood work can be completed or dexa scans etc we always welcome them we want people to get the results they deserve and not a placebo good feeling effect.

I think we have been vary fair in giving you a refund so I am politely asking that you remove the review from your blog and please do let me know how your friend goes with his bottle. You are also more than welcome to contact anyone on the forums who has used it for a follow up or through facebook etc....as said the product does work it just seems it wont work for a small number of people. You are now the 2nd person we have heard from about it.

Cheers

Kirk McWade

Managing Director Wicked Supplements

Righto. So. Sadly I cannot take the review down. I must keep my integrity for my followers. I believe I have been fair in my measurements. Yes I agree that the body fat % reading cannot be taken as gospel, however on previous cutting cycles the same scales have shown significant drops in the %, so as a tracking tool this has been suffice. The reason for adding this stat in this review was to make sure that the weight gained couldn't be attributed to massive fat gains instead. The other reviews of the product I had read only made suggestions that the gains were "lean" with no tracking or before and after bf% readings. Take that away from the test and the results are still the same. No appetite change,  no size change in a month in body parts measured and no Kg's gained. 

I'm interested to see more reviews and will continue to hunt and read. Perhaps I am the 5% they speak of. Could this be attributed to my blood type? AB+ is only 3% of the population and since this supplement is supposed to be all about blood, muscle and nutrient absorbtion...it could be linked?

I appreciate the refund as originally I was ready to write it off as a tried and failed. 

I hope if anyone else trys the supplement they have better results, but if you only read the good reviews, you may not be prepared for the potential for failure and may think you did something wrong to not acheive the results. When the truth is it could just be that the product wont work on you!

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Day 30. 

Final day of trial. 

Honest opinion of Epic Gainz? More like Epic Fail!

Not only did I not gain extra mass in dimensions but I also remained just as lean and weight almost 100% the same as I did a month ago. 

I would not recommend this supplement to anyone serious about "getting big"  

I dare Wicked Supplements to put this review on their site/page!

Let's see, not a single super hunger feeling (maybe the people that were having this just were not eating enough before? ), never threw around extra heavy weights (perhaps the previous weights this guy was lifting was down in the 10kg and under section, perhaps this is why he gained 2 extra Kilos) I didn't feel anymore swollen during the day after exercise and by itself it made no difference to recovery time. 

Is the secret im the SEDDS system they use? Perhaps people are taking this and getting a better effect from the other supps they are taking lile preworkouts, protein powdes and such. I feel like it may have effected my L Glutamine effectiveness, lord knows I was feeling it when I ran out of the Glute. 

Taste was ok, till you left it in your mouth as prescribed. Then the taste went a little weird sort of like the taste of failure...

Re measured my body

 Wednesday  28/1/15

Upper arm - 39cm (40 flexed)

Fore arm - 32.5

Chest - 112cm

Upper leg - 59cm (61 flexed leg lifted)

Calf - 39cm

Waist - 84cm

Shoulders - 127cm

actually lost size in the biceps and that was AFTER an arms day!?

No point in posting a pic to visually compare...because it all looks the same. 

I will spare you all another picture in my undies. 

Well that's it, I'm not going to use that supplement and perhaps I was naive to think that the results could be soooo dramatic. 

Onward and upward. 

Stay tuned to see what I can do with a special stack that I'm going to recommend for those looking to hit the gym hard for big results!

Kdawg out!

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Day 20 - notes and measurements

Weigh in - 16/1/15 - 89.3kg 14.2%bf

Measurements...same as before...oh I grew 1 cm in the calf. 

Notes: No extreme hunger (most reviews rave about this "hunger" and "being hungry") No crazy strength gainz (again, read the reviews on the product page, one guy proclaims throwing the weight around on day 1) No super swolen feeling through the day (this supplement is supposed to have your muscles retain nutrients etc. Making them stay fuller) And recovery has not been effected (a review from a "fitness guru" says that it helped recovery...).

Perhaps at the 2/3 mark I'm too synical? I cant wait for the day 30 compare shots, but here is one from day 20. You decide.

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Day 14 - notes and measurements 

Notes: still no hunger. Ran out of my L-glutamine this week. The DOMS are back full force now. So the Epic Gainz has been doing nothing special there except maybe allowing the L-Glutamine to absorb more? I try and take the morning dose before gym on an empty stomach, as it is suggested to do so, this leads to a sick feeling while working out. 

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Day 7 - notes and measurements

For body measurements...see day 1 measurement list. Because there have been nil changes. 

Weigh in 2/1/15 - 87.5kg 13.2 bf%, so weight lost and body fat not effected. This was 5 days in. 

Notes: still no case of the super munchies. Still no weights being thrown around, though this new week when I compare the same types of exercises I might get a surprise. I have been trying to eat more with each meal just to see how I feel. Disappointed at the moment with no grow, but it has only been 1 week and 1 set of workouts for the muscle groups. I will take some comparison photos this week near the middle. But I would say that without measurement changes there wont be much to see and compare. Perhaps I'm expecting too much from this supplement too soon? The only thing that I may hae noticed is DOMS seem less to none, perhaps this is the secret?  Quicker recovery means one could train more and build faster than normal?

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Day 1 pics and messurements, plus notes from the experiences so far at day 4. 

*Body Measurements*

Upper arm - 40cm (41 flexed)

Fore arm - 33

Chest - 113cm

Upper leg - 59cm (61 flexed leg lifted)

Calf - 38cm

Waist - 84cm

Shoulders - 127cm

*Weigh in stats*

28/12/14 - 89kg 13.2 bf%

Notes: no case's of throwing extra heavy dumb bells around the gym (as one review read on day one of taking the supplement). My focus at the gym seems to be only slightly more than usual and that's because of my subconscious knowledge that I've got to give it all I have to make sure I'm giving the supp a good run. No extra special pumps, I've felt more buzz from pre workouts, and this has not got that effect. No exceptional hunger, I try and eat 7- 8 meal portions a day anyway... maybe I'm not noticing it? Will hold reserve judgement on "muscles feeling fuller " till first week re measure and new photos. 

Is this supplement for me?

If you have ever been to a supplement tasting booth or seen a supplement shop lately you will have noticed mountains of options, from pre workouts to intra, protein powders and BCAA's.

Do you need them all?  Probably not.

Ok. So here are my tips for the "non bodybuilding" fitness goers in regards to supplements.
🔸preworkouts - if you exercise after work, or feel lethargic while working out, a pre might be a good idea. They can create focus and have you running longer or pushing yourself that bit further past failure, rather than reaching failure. Try and get free samples from your local supplement shop before investing your hard earned coin into a full tub. Many people react differently to the chemicals in these pre's so some might flop, while others might just make you itch.
🔹intra workouts - yeah nah, unless you are looking to marathon run or spend 2-3 hours at the gym (like a bodybuilder might) why u need dis? 40mins to an hour of workout does not require anything special throughout besides some good quality H2o. Don't waste your money on an intra unless you get it for FREE.
🔸Protein powders - do you hate steak? Do you hate chicken? Do you hate fish?  If you said yes to all of these questions and you are not a bodybuilder, then maybe you should get a protein powder. This is a supplement after all. It is designed to supplement elements that are missing from your diet. Include chicken, steak, fish, etc. with your normal meals... and you shoukd be sorted.
🔹BCAA's - these are great...but not 100%needed for a non bodybuilder. Again these are supplements of Branch Chain Amino Acids, which, you guessed it! Apear in your foods on a regular basis. However extra supplementation can be good to give your body the tools to repair quicker and more efficiently. This means less soreness over the dreaded DOM dayz.
🔸Fat Burners - this might cause controversy... DO NOT BUY!!! these all have chemicals toting fat burning properties that mobilize fat or magic fat away... all have been tested... and all have failed to produce conclusive results. All you will get is instructions to pop a pill or two, three times a day on an empty stomach. This leads to a funny feeling in the gut and no fat lost.

As for those going for a body building supplementation plan... that's a whole nother story!